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So why did God wait to send Jesus?
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When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification. If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn; and let one interpret. But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silence in church and speak to himself and to God. Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said. If a revelation is made to another sitting by, let the first be silent.

For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all be encouraged; and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets. For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. This is the only description we have of a first century church meeting in the NT. Revelation, tongues and multiple prophecies were the NORM.

In each meeting some combination of these supernatural works of the Holy Spirit were manifest. In other words, the revelations, tongues and prophecies were not occasional to the early church meetings; they were not peripheral and they were not incidental. These supernatural gifts of revelation were regular, normative and expected in the early NT assemblies.

Now, if you continuationist types belong to churches where real revelations, tongues and multiple prophecies are the SUBSTANCE of your weekly gatherings, then you have an argument to make for your position. If your weekly meetings are driven and shaped by the supernatural revelatory gifts of the Holy Spirit, as in 1 Cor 14, then we at least ought to listen to you. But if you are a continuationist and your church rarely or never offers a supernatural revelation, a prophecy or a tongue with interpretation, then your claim lacks credibility and must be dismissed.

If you are a continuationist, then your church MUST have supernatural revelations, prophecies and, at regular intervals, tongues with interpretations as the principal means of edification that drive the weekly meeting. If such does not characterize your weekly meeting, then you are a nominal continuationist; you are a continuationist in name only. And this position cannot be held with integrity. To sum up: if your church meeting does not fit the description of the Corinthian church in 1 Cor , then your claim that the supernatural revelations of the Spirit continue today is groundless.

Your stance has no Biblical warrant. In fact, while being a nominal continuationist name-only , you are actually a functional cessationist. You may wish that fresh supernatural revelations were being desposited by the Spirit in your assembly each week, but integrity demands that you admit otherwise. Wow, Kevin. We no longer meet in homes but in churches.

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Does that make our church meetings vain? So if your present day assembly does not manifest those same supernatural, Holy Spirit gifts in the weekly gathering, then, YES, your claim as a continuationist is invalidated.

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In the same way, if you claim to have the gifts of miracles but cannot demonstrate your gift, then your claim is baseless. If you claim to have the gift of interpreting tongues but cannot demonstrate that gift, then your claim is phony. If you claim continuity with apostolic experience then you are obligated to demonstrate that same experience. Is that really so difficult to understand?

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So there. No one claims a specific continuity with the apostolic practice of meeting in homes. If your church has genuine prophecies, genuine supernatural revelation and genuine tongue speaking with interpretations each week when you assemble, just as the church in Corinth did, then fine, you have no need to be so defensive. If you have these supernatural revelations each week, then your case is won and your claim as a continuationist is substantiated.

When the central issue is dodged and a smokescreen is implemented, then one may not be as confident in his assertions as one would appear.

Kevin, I feel the same way that you all, the cessationists, do. Your claims, as you say about we who are continuationists, cannot be substantiated by the Bible, especially not by the text you gave, or your version of the text you presented. We can agree on two things however: 1 Rants like these will do nothing to help the unsaved person who may stop by this blog.

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And 2 Jesus Christ died to save mankind. A relationship that far outweighs anything else, and makes each of us, with our differences and all, brothers and sisters in Christ. And for that very reason, your doctrine must be opposed and rejected. Point me to a church where special revelation is being given by the Spirit, week by week, just as it was in Corinth, and then your claim may have some substance to it.

In the absence of such evidence, integrity demands that you abandon your position. Truth, why do you hide To let us slosh in the despair Of what we subscribe to? Or could it be We hide from you? Our words and actions should be to draw others to Christ not push them away! God does speaks to us by the Holy Spirit through His Word. Hebrews says that God has spoken through His Son, who is the Word in flesh.

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So yes God does communicate with us personally but through scripture. I used to do the same. Are they justifying a decision they have made and making it more of a spiritual decision than a thoughtful one? Are they just trying to impress others I used to do the same. As previously mentioned, are they trying to manipulate others into financial or other support of their decision? I think we all agree that we need to avoid extremes on both sides of this debate. What a blessing to meet him. But even more, I was able to help him learn to drive and another ministry provided him a vehicle.

Nonetheless, I agree we overuse this term and it can easily be misused and manipulative if we are not careful. Most of the examples in the Bible of God speaking are His audible voice. If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.


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What is it then? Those who are mortifying the flesh putting to death the deeds of the body are the ones who are being led by the Spirit the ones walking by the Spirit. And Paul goes one step further and says that those who are killing the flesh are the sons of God v. That is, those who are killing the flesh are the ones who are being led by the Spirit of God, and those being so led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God.

If one feels that God did speak to them, then accountability is needed. And testing it based on Scriptures is also needed. God was admonishing me in a time when I was not consuming his word. So I read it and it answered my question—I had never read the book of Isaiah before. Is this a normal or frequent thing? Nor do I believe that God makes it a habit to directly communicate with us when we already have all the sufficiency we need in his Word.

I find it inconsistent that throughout all Scripture, God was directly and indirectly communicating with many people, and now all of a sudden he never does it again. Must we then charge God Himself with inconsistency because He gave Apostles to the fledgling church and withholds them from us? Israel had writing Prophets for centuries. Is God inconsistent because He withholds them from us? There they were, Prophets and Apostles, slotted for their time in redemptive history… and then, all of a sudden, they were gone. The agents of special revelation disappeared.

They vanished. And God never sent them again. Is that inconsistency in God? Or is that simply the method by which God chose to deliver special revelation to His people… that method now having ceased?